Zero of MMX or Zero of MMZ ? What was the point of ICreates?

[Doctor Jughu]

Not only would I like x9 to be 16-bit, but I'd really like to see x4-x8 redone in SNES style similar to the MM7 and 8 FC projects.

hahaha the FC projects doesnt even have the story
you start with the eight robotmaster is it really worth it?

[NemZ]

as if anyone cares about the story of a megaman game:  Evil!  8 Robots! Castle(s)! The end!

[-FiniteZero-]

And the FC ones DO have story, it's just in Japanese.

[Emmanuelf06]

I finished ZX1 but not ZXA, if capcom do a come back like...ZX3 WITH a NEW Megaman X and Zero (they are dead, so maybe they can do a come back idk HOW) with a great design, i will try to finish ZXA....they can always add new characters anyways'
And yeah, im very idealist with my passion for Rockman....
Each time i see the video of day of sigma, between X and dr Light, i have some tears.... :/
Poor MMX.....even if i prefer the classic and EXE serie, X is a legend for me : 3 (X4-X5 <3 )

Don't forget our heroes.

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[Threxx]

Not only would I like x9 to be 16-bit, but I'd really like to see x4-x8 redone in SNES style similar to the MM7 and 8 FC projects.

Why?

The classic series had 6 games on the NES. It was most recognizable there, so it was fair to demake RM7 and RM8 for the NES.

The X series is evenly split between 3 consoles. It isn't most recognizable on any one. The demake isn't as necessary.

[NemZ]

Because I like the SNES game's visual style better, mostly.  They also played better for the most part... all stages after x3 tended to be weird little disconnected segments because of loading times, the larger character/screen ratios lent themselves to lazy stage layouts, the animation of the more detailed characters were deeply disappointing in their simplicity, and the armors suddenly became all-or-nothing strictly because it was too much of a pain to code the parts to load individually in different combinations.

I'd also argue that because sales numbers and percieved quality steadily plummeted as the series went on that the SNES games absolutely ARE the most recognizable format for the X series to most people.

[Emmanuelf06]

I posted something on this horrible forum: http://www.capcom-unity.com/mega_man/go ... #540351451

Well, here is my big text:

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So, for you, guys, a game can continue even if the heroes are dead in the "true" story?
Or MMX must "RIP" ?

I think, a hero can die in a canon story (like Megaman megamix manga, or megaman nt warrior manga). But when he dies in the general story, he can change a lot of things....we dont need so much heroes....and im not the only who think that...

SO, what is a "MEGAMAN" for you ?
For me it's: "Megaman CLASSIC and X since there is a Dr Light, a blue bomber, some friends and some elemental ennemies (not always 8 boss...it's boring, the gameplay can use some others way).
I like a lot EXE because It's pretty a serie who look to have a big respect for the classic serie, nobody is dead in the EXE serie except some bad guys (like Shademan, Laserman or Zero).
I remember, when i have seen beast+, i was scared about the fight between Zero (copy virus) and Megaman.....if Zero kill Megaman EXE, good job again....

Be positive and love what you have yet. Im not hungry about a lot of RANDOM heroes (like ZX) who have 0 personnality (or superficial) and a little story who looks like to be a BIG thing. Some people has a big passion for ZX serie, do they want always the same system? I dont think It will work.
Im pretty sure, a lot of fans of ZX and MMZ must love and prefer Mighty 9 to megaman classic/X.

Well, i think, Mighty9 can be certainly a good game, but i would prefer a new megaman game since there is a story behind Megaman.

Even if megaman never used really a big story, there is an essential thing: The atmopshere, the megaman community. And the people I see on this forums are pretty different of what i can see on some forums/youtube comments'.

I think there is 2 parts of megaman community, The fans who like the megaman games and THE heroes like a symbol (story, sentiment)....and the fans who like ONLY the style of the megaman games and who need a lot of variety things.

Im different ok but i like when there is some pictures of meme internet with the robotmasters, there is like an atmosphere, something "FANBOY? (but GOOD), the manga megamix who created a story for them (even if it's canon, and even if Protoman is dead x) It seems).

It's like some others games, if you kill the heroes, you can put the name of the serie on the cartdrige, not a lot will buy it...look at Dante of DMC, when the design was different (black hair), a lot of people hated it, it seems, lol.

Games are not only games for me, there is more sentiment than that....You can say Im a children' but im not the only one.  

And Megaman Forever <3  www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFdq3_nf6p8

[Ivory]

I think you are completely deluding yourself. Your entire argument just sort of screams "I only accept Mega Man in this fashion, and anything else isn't true Mega Man".
Your not even consistent in your argument. Classic Mega Man ? X ? MegaMan.exe. And lets not forget that MMX was supposed to be starred by Zero to begin with. And had that happened, you wouldn't even be in this train of thought because the series would of had established that people who are not "Mega Man" are allowed to be the stars too far sooner.

But what's really grating is you having to justify your love by trashing down other perfectly legitimate entries into the series. And it makes me sick.

Im pretty sure, a lot of fans of ZX and MMZ must love and prefer Mighty 9 to megaman classic/X.

And this is quite the generalization, isn't it? You have no basis to back that up. Classic Fans, X fans and EXE fans are just as likely to enjoy Mighty Number 9 as Zero, Starforce, ZX and Legends fans. But it is a statement that supports your claim of what is your idea of a "true Mega Man"

Be positive and love what you have yet. Im not hungry about a lot of RANDOM heroes (like ZX) who have 0 personnality (or superficial) and a little story who looks like to be a BIG thing. Some people has a big passion for ZX serie, do they want always the same system? I dont think It will work.

Okay, what? Characters that have more personality compared to your first two favorite picks apparently have 0 personality or are just superficial. This is why I can't take this argument seriously. Excuses to justify your point of view.

Well, i think, Mighty9 can be certainly a good game, but i would prefer a new megaman game since there is a story behind Megaman.

And there is story behind it too. Maybe not a long standing historic years of history, but it's not like Classic Mega Man had much story behind it too. Just some excuse plots to get you to blast some robots and beat up a crazy old cook. Nothing amazing on a narrative standpoint. But then, story isn't the point to classic Mega Man, is it?

I think there is 2 parts of megaman community, The fans who like the megaman games and THE heroes like a symbol (story, sentiment)....and the fans who like ONLY the style of the megaman games and who need a lot of variety things.

Why can't Mega Man fans be Mega Man fans? I like Mega Man himself, but I'm not going to go off the wall bashing other games for not having a "true" Mega Man as a protagonist. Segregated fanbases are some of the worst. Just look at Pokemon and Fire Emblem. Just the generational wars that go on are bad enough, but I don't want to spend an hour talking about all the independent problems with their fanbases.. I'm actually rather amazed that Mega Man fans tend to be more tame between their independent series.

It's like some others games, if you kill the heroes, you can put the name of the serie on the cartdrige, not a lot will buy it...look at Dante of DMC, when the design was different (black hair), a lot of people hated it, it seems, lol.

Where did you get that idea from? I've seen a lot of opinions which favored DmC over the series proper. It didn't sell as well, but it's still Dante, even if I don't like either.

Games are not only games for me, there is more sentiment than that....You can say Im a children' but im not the only one.

To conclude, I'm not going to disagree with your opinion, just your notion of talking down the other games in an unfair manner to justify yourself.

[Emmanuelf06]

You can say Im a hypocrit, im a guy who try always to see more than the reality (and i'm not a carebear like a lot of people).
Megaman was killed because ZX didnt do a great work, bad sales, story without authenticity....

A lot of people dont play only megaman because it's some games, there is a soul with the serie, like every serie, and yeah, a lot of people are like me, and sometimes "worse", a lot say "Megaman must keep 8 robotmasters", "Megaman classic is the only true megaman!" and others...

Oh sure, ZX giro (ZX) story of ZX is so tragic and sentimental, some people are fan of Giro guy, just because he was the first to use the biometal Zero, just lol, Giro didnt have a story' or anything....In the game, when you talk with some random people, they talk about their life, in the game, are so ridiculous, like, they had a so tragic story in their family with the war (ZX/MMZ), "i will take a coffee but im stressed about the war, so i will sleep", a lot of people in ZX talk to you like some superficial emotionnal guys....it's really funny.... The expressivity in ZX games is the worst I have seen, people seem like over-emotional for anything.

And yeah, story is not the point of megaman games, but there is like a storyline, a lot of little games who didnt use the superficial expressivity like a lot of series have now.
Exemple, a lot of people prefer the old mangas (even if it was bad), or the old disneys animes, because now, the expressivity is like crazy exagerrated.
Megaman, with Roll, Bass, Dr Light, and the others, have a lot of games and some little story, storyline, behind them, it created something "moderated" and original. ZX is just full of crazy emotions (MMZ was pretty like that => Ciel and her hands <3 ) To say: It seems, they wanted absolutly create a storyline/story for ZX to hide Megaman X. I have this feeling...

Megaman community, you have 2 parts, some people hate Inti Creates more than me, since 2005, i was a lot on some forums, and a lot dont like what Inti Creates did, a lot hate the work of inafune (rumors about he wanted to be a king in Capcom), some people hate Inafune himself because they think He is arrogant and too much determinate (not my opinion), some people prefer the classic/X serie and hate EXE, SF because he is not in the storyline...And you have the others side where people accept everything or/and want always new games with new heroes, by exemple.
People are different and each of them can have their opinion.

For DMC, i have seen that in a lot of comments, a lot of people dont like the new DMC for the charism, some others prefer (but i dont care). Again, im on the internet since a lot of time.... (2003) (:

Even if Inti Creates did a BIG miss with the MMZ/ZX serie, im happy to see the MMX community who ask for a new MMX games (X9), even if we wont get it soon..or never.... (Rockman Online could be a great idea even if the heroes are not the true ones, but the basic idea looks cool, anyways, its canceled). Im happy to see MM classic community is strong too and ask for a new mm game.
Because if you follow ZX fans, it's "DEAD" for MM classic and X.

(MM EXE community is inactive, so yeah...even if i love this unique and skilled gameplay of the exe serie, i think it must be better to have a mm classic/x game if it must be 1 game who will be release soon).

EDIT: Well, i hope, at least, capcom dont care about the storyline (MMClassic========>ZX) to make the new games...because it could be sad to not have a mm classic again (in nextgen type).

[Ivory]

Mega Man was hardly killed because of ZX alone, unless you want to forget that MM9/10 were also rather recent games. To say otherwise is just trying to ignore the fact of reality. Mega Man in general doesn't sell as well as the big named Capcom IPs, not just ZX. The Zero series is one of the best of the entire Mega Man series. It was probably the best platformer Mega Man series to successfully merge story and fun, fast-paced gameplay. It had a point, and that series ended quite well. Unlike Classic and X which will most likely never get a proper conclusion.

You are trying to justify toxic behavior within the community. Every Mega Man series has equal right to exist, regardless of whatever the hell faulty logic you want to use to make your claims.

[Emmanuelf06]

"Every Mega Man series has equal right to exist"
Ok then.

[Ivory]

That doesn't prove your point at all, you know that right?

[-FiniteZero-]

I tend to find myself on the opposite end of the spectrum, in terms of Mega Man fandom. I find value in even the lowest Mega Man games (like the DOS ones).

I'm like that with a lot of series, actually. I guess I'm optimistic?

[NemZ]

I'd like to see the DOS games remade into a proper NES-style game as well, though hopefully much better than the lame hack that Shinryuu 82 is currently playing.

Also, why are you ripping on IntiCreates?  The work they've done across several megaman franchises has been pretty damn great.

[Emmanuelf06]

Because im sick about how is dead MMX in MMZ2, a bad and ridiculous role of "cyber Wise" who dead like a "nothing" in MMZ2.
I know inti creates and specially Inafune hated MMX for the story about mmx1 things' ....
When i see that...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbwoV6n-yXg
Make me cry a little each time.
Seriously, if people want a end for MMX, if could be more epic too....