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October 17, 2010, 05:28:06 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2010, 05:28:06 PM »
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Please, God, no, not the tier lists!  The last thing we need is pointless arguing on which weapons are on which tiers.

I warned you all!

October 17, 2010, 05:36:27 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2010, 05:36:27 PM »
But it isn't pointless argument if it identifies  weapons that could use some pimping or nerfing.  Better balance = more variety for serious play = more fun in the long run.

October 17, 2010, 05:39:46 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2010, 05:39:46 PM »
Yes, but clearly some players are better at using certain weapons than others.  For example, I can get kills with Gemini Laser like there's no tomorrow but I can't use the Proto Upgrade at all.  A lot of these pros and cons are people's tastes.

October 17, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2010, 07:13:37 PM »
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If you've already got a better weapon I fail to see why you don't just use them and stop messing around with inferior options.
"Then lets all have rocket launchers and machine guns since they give you more kills"

Every weapon has a significant use, Not all of them are guaranteed to give you a kill or JUST a kill period. Experimentation is what counts towards using different weapons and creating combinations. This game allows such an option that most seem to ignore from time to time and this is what makes Tengu sad T_T

 
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Water Wave is more than capable of getting frags on it's own and switching back and forth with dive will only make dodging the waves much easier and the waves are a far bigger threat.
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You can fire 5 more dive missiles, which seem to travel slower and do only 1/3 as much damage as Magnet. Even assuming perfect accuracy Dive can't even kill someone from full health without picking up more ammo, while Magnet assuming only 50% accuracy can get that frag and still have a shot left. There's really no contest here.

Stop looking at things from a statistic perspective man... hence why I said
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"Then lets all have rocket launchers and machine guns since they give you more kills"

Let me repeat myself again but in different words... specific weapons used individually for fragging are not guaranteed to give you kills multiple times or even at all. This is when you need to study the location of stages and combined their weapons to create the ultimate death trap for anyone. Each weapons has it's Pros and Cons which means we have to see what we can do to make them useful, especially in certain stages. SCIENCE!!!!

Lets use my Missile/wave combination one more time... but with Weapon statistics. Your terms :p
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MISSILE/WAVE comb.

Dive Missile   UESES:14   DAMAGE:8   Long Range ((at least 60% accuracy)) My opinion
Magnet Missile UESES:   9   DAMAGE:25 Long Range ((at least 50% Accuracy. Differs on distance...)) My opinion

Water Wave   UESES:14   DAMAGE6 (x5) Rapid Fire ((Hinder's movement))
=========================================================

In general any missile can be used with water wave due to it's homing capabilities.This is even more rape in closed areas or even larger ones where the waves spread like wild fire. HOWEVER the most effective one will have to be dive. Now why such a weak weapon? Magnet Missile does 25 DMG per shot, so why is Dive better?

The point is is because of distance. In general, Water wave is only the distraction where as the missile do the work. If I were to use Magnet Missile from a long distance while using Wave, I'll still get an easy kill... thats if unless I'm forced to get closer which is where only wave is my chance of getting a frag because the accuracy of Magnet drops significantly. Lets not also forget we're not standing still or moving up and down, were ALL OVER THE PLACE so using magnet will be wasteful ((I mean 9 shots wasted)) unless further away.

Ok so what about Dive Missile? It will act the same way as as magnet but more guaranteed to hit the person while spreading your waves, even if your closer. Now I'm not saying face-to-face, but at a distance in which you'll know it will hit them. Lets not forget that it has 16 uses, so 8 DMG from dive + 6 DMG from Wave will equal out to 14 DMG per second meaning 70 DMG in total.
And just for the heck of it... 25 DMG from Magnet + 6 from Wave will equal out to 31 DMG per second meaning 155 DMG in total, but remember distance problems with Magnet Missile so your forced to stay back more.

Reason why I prefer Dive with wave is only because of it's better accuracy. The fact that it's slow isn't even the problem here. You need to think how your opponent maneuvers and uses the environment. If he/she is just moving, then consider a frag, if he/she is hiding behind objects, then it's a duel to the death if someone doesn't interfere. And just like X said, its about skill too. We're all experienced with specific weapons... but that's not an excuse to consider other weapons obsolete only because of low damage or pointless abilities ((Shields being the exception unless I'm proven otherwise...)).

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Spark shock doesn't stun long enough to make all that much difference unless you just spam it (making it somewhat more attractive in duels), but I'd still rather just use a real weapon.

Don't get me wrong, obviously you observed these weapons enough to see which modes they're more effective on, hell I even agree with Windstorm being better on LMS. Although in regards to Spark Shock on Spark Man stage... Combine this weapon along with either metal blade, top spin, Dust Crusher, or even quick boomerang and you'll see how much aggravating pain your victim will be in. Of course skill and reaction speed still count so I can't agree that Spark Shock is useless only because of either how weak or how short the stun lasts.

TD;l ... hold on let me catch my breath...
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ok... MM8BDM Weapons are meant to be unified with others. If they're only degraded to just fragging then you may as well make this a "Call of Duty" game with mega man in it.

October 17, 2010, 07:30:35 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2010, 07:30:35 PM »
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Please, God, no, not the tier lists!  The last thing we need is pointless arguing on which weapons are on which tiers.

I warned you all!

He warned us all!

October 17, 2010, 07:35:57 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2010, 07:35:57 PM »
lol tiers

October 17, 2010, 07:39:41 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2010, 07:39:41 PM »
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Please, God, no, not the tier lists!  The last thing we need is pointless arguing on which weapons are on which tiers.

I warned you dogs! I warned you about those tiers!
IT KEEPS HAPPENING.

October 17, 2010, 07:41:25 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2010, 07:41:25 PM »
^I was actually going to say that but changed it at the last second.

October 17, 2010, 07:41:49 PM
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2010, 07:41:49 PM »
Alright I don't get that one.

October 17, 2010, 07:42:41 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
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October 17, 2010, 07:42:50 PM
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« Reply #40 on: October 17, 2010, 07:42:50 PM »
tires don exits

October 17, 2010, 07:43:18 PM
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« Reply #41 on: October 17, 2010, 07:43:18 PM »
Badly drawn unfunny MSPaint comics. Oh shit.

October 17, 2010, 07:44:00 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2010, 07:44:00 PM »
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tiers don exits
Wait, so tiers put on exits? Is that even possible?
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Badly drawn unfunny MSPaint comics. Oh shit.
Purposefully drawn like that. Brotoad loves the comic.

October 17, 2010, 07:45:02 PM
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« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2010, 07:45:02 PM »
Yeah it might be on purpose but that's not really helping the view count.

October 17, 2010, 07:45:51 PM
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Re: Weapon "Tier List"
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2010, 07:45:51 PM »
Actually, I'd never read the comic, Fupoo kept saying something along those lines Friday night.

EDIT:  I just read it and it made the line instantly unfunny.  I'm with Yellow Devil.