Weapon "Tier List"

[CutmanMike]

Each weapon works depending on not only the level, but the amount of players in the server. Spark Shock is the best example. In a small brawl with like 4 players I can always make use of it. Stun someone, switch to hard knuckle or something, bam. In big games there's not enough time to do that though. On the reverse side, Hyper Bomb becomes less useful in smaller games because you'll almost never get a moment where the other players don't have their attention on what you're doing.

[NemZ]

Can you answer a few more questions CutmanMike?  I'm genuinely curious.

In what situation is Ice Slasher better than Metal Blade?
When is Silver Tomahawk more useful than Gemini Beam?
Why should I ever prefer Super Arm over Dust Crusher?
What can Dive Missile accomplish that Magnet Missile can't do better?
For what reason would I ever choose Gyro Attack over Crystal Eye?

[Max]

Can you answer a few more questions CutmanMike?  I'm genuinely curious.

In what situation is Ice Slasher better than Metal Blade?
When is Silver Tomahawk more useful than Gemini Beam?
Why should I ever prefer Super Arm over Dust Crusher?
What can Dive Missile accomplish that Magnet Missile can't do better?
For what reason would I ever choose Gyro Attack over Crystal Eye?

Ice Slasher pierces enemies

Silver Tomahawk goes upwards

Super arm can be thrown into groups and achieve a lot of kills

Dive Missile is better at tracking targets

Gyro Attack is more reliable (it's easier to use) and it has a higher ROF

I'm not Mike but whatever

[CutmanMike]

Can you answer a few more questions CutmanMike?  I'm genuinely curious.

In what situation is Ice Slasher better than Metal Blade?
When is Silver Tomahawk more useful than Gemini Beam?
Why should I ever prefer Super Arm over Dust Crusher?
What can Dive Missile accomplish that Magnet Missile can't do better?
For what reason would I ever choose Gyro Attack over Crystal Eye?

Some levels have Ice Slasher that don't have Metal Blade!
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But for those levels where there are both weapons, there are some differences. Ice Slasher is slower and can be harder to dodge in close quarters, while metal blade is better for distances I find. Silver Tomahawk is a bit aids, I'll admit. I've changed it quite drastically in the next version. Not sure why you compared Dust Crusher to Super Arm cause they're quire different. Dive Missile is weaker but has much better homing capabilities and more ammo, and Magnet Missile does more damage, has less ammo etc. I shouldn't have to explain these, just play with em and the differences are fairly obvious.

[NemZ]

I do hope this thread isn't being taken as mean-spirited.  Tone is hard to convey via text and sometimes people think I'm being far harsher than I intend to be.  Never doubt that I love this project!

Ice vs. Metal
I hadn't noticed any difference other than ammo consumption, but if you say so.  Wouldn't slower projectiles tend to be easier to dodge at any range though?  Oh, and according to the Wiki both pierce targets, unless that's an error.  I don't recall ever being in a position to watch from the side as either weapon works on a crowd so I don't honestly know.

Dust vs. Guts
I compared them because they both do 50% damage for the same ammo and release a burst of projectiles after impact, but Dust is so much easier to use it isn't even funny.  The only advantage I can see is that Super Arm might be able to hit multiple targets with the large block, but I'm not sure if that's the case or if I'm just getting secondary hits with the debris trail.  Hmm...

Dive vs. Magnet
Actually in most situations I find that dive is easier to avoid because it goes straight for the target which makes cover much easier to use, while magnet can be specifically aimed to get around that cover.  It's usually easier to make Magnet go after the target of your choice, as well (though I've seen both chase after a teammate on rush for some reason).  The ammo/damage ratio is massively skewed in Magnet's favor even accounting for the difference in accuracy, as I explained earlier.

Gyro vs. Crystal
I hadn't noticed gyro fires faster because I'm usually waiting to time the split at the last second in an attempt to hit with both halves.  Fair enough on that one, Yellow Devil.

[CutmanMike]

I do hope this thread isn't being taken as mean-spirited.  Tone is hard to convey via text and sometimes people think I'm being far harsher than I intend to be.

Not at all! Well not for me at least

[TailsMK4]

When is Silver Tomahawk more useful than Gemini Beam?
Why should I ever prefer Super Arm over Dust Crusher?

These questions were intended for CutmanMike, but I think I'll put some info here as well.

I actually find Silver Tomahawk to be much better in close-range combat than Gemini Laser. Tomahawk is a quick weapon that can deal a good amount of damage quickly if you're close enough to the opponent. Gemini Laser is weaker and is better in narrow areas where it can bounce around. In fact, I'd say almost all weapons work better where there is less room to dodge.  

You can kill someone in 3 hits usually with Silver Tomahawk. I think it's 4-5 for Gemini Laser.

I personally dislike the Dust Crusher weapon aside from the fact it can spread out more garbage when it collides with walls. Super Arm can net you kills further away as long as you have room to use it. Just don't use Super Arm when your opponent is nearby, though. At least you're smarter than the bots.  

[Max]

Oh, and according to the Wiki both pierce targets, unless that's an error.  I don't recall ever being in a position to watch from the side as either weapon works on a crowd so I don't honestly know.

Go to an empty server, type SUMMON MEGAMAN in the console (twice!) and test it. Ice Slasher pierces and Metal Blade doesn't.

[CutmanMike]

? Metal blade pierces

[NemZ]

Go to an empty server, type SUMMON MEGAMAN in the console (twice!) and test it. Ice Slasher pierces and Metal Blade doesn't.

Yeah, metal blade does pierce.  I couldn't find a server that allowed cheats so i tested it in the training hall on a 1p game... and unless the megaman that spawns with that summon command is weak for some reason the damage both Ice and Metal do is much higher than the wiki reports.

@TailsMK4:

they both kill in 3.  The graphic is somewhat bigger for Tomahawk though... depending on if the hitbox is correspondingly larger it might be slightly easier to hit with.

I personally loathe the super arm.  It can be really difficult to find a place where it's even remotely feasible to use, considering limitations of both distance to target and ceiling height.  the outer balcony on Hard man's stage is pretty much the only place I consider equipping it on purpose, and even then I usually get sniped by some dude firing hard knuckles or magnet missiles from the other balcony before really accomplishing anything of note.

[CutmanMike]

The piercing damage is inaccurate because it basically does damage for however long you spend INSIDE the projectile. For example if I was running WITH someone's ice slasher projectile in the same direction, it would probably kill me instantly.

[TailsMK4]

@TailsMK4:

they both kill in 3.  The graphic is somewhat bigger for Tomahawk though... depending on if the hitbox is correspondingly larger it might be slightly easier to hit with.

I just remember having to hit an opponent at least 4 times with the Gemini Laser in Cut Man's place to frag someone. I guess it's 3 if the lasers are direct hits.

[a deer]

Nearly every weapon in this game is situational to some degree with a few "general purpose" things in between, but I like the fact that some weapons are genuinely better than others, no matter what situation. At the start of most matches, I find myself fighting with others to have control of the "best weapons" on the map and that's what I enjoy about the game. Sure, some are way more OP than others and probably will be nerfed, but considering the 'deathmatch' nature of the game, it's not necessarily a bad thing that two similar weapons appear on a map with one being outright better than the other.

[NemZ]

Sure, some are way more OP than others and probably will be nerfed, but considering the 'deathmatch' nature of the game, it's not necessarily a bad thing that two similar weapons appear on a map with one being outright better than the other.

I've got to disagree with you, as there's a world of difference between a weapon being the better than another for a particular stage and it just being better regardless.  Besides, even if two similar weapons are fairly balanced I think the game would benefit in most cases from them being generally less similar to promote more diverse tactics.  

For example, even if Ice and Metal are balanced (which I'm still not really convinced of) wouldn't it be better if they offer something more noticeably different than just a pallet change?   Considering Ice Man could kill you in 3 hits in MM1 and fired them one at a time I think it shouldn't really even be trying to be a rapid weapon, but rather a power or a long type.

[CutmanMike]

There's rarely a chance you'll get both so I wouldn't worry about it. If you did find both, I guess Metal Blade for longer ranged battles because they go faster than Ice Slasher, but close up use Ice Slasher because the ripping hurts more.