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Since the mayority of people play Classes TLMS/Duel, what essentially is Classes Terminator, vanilla Duel and vanilla CTF, far more than vanilla Deathmatch, then the vanilla game, and thus the vanilla developers, should cater to what the mayority clearly what. If the mayority doesn't play vanilla Deathmatch, then vanilla Deathmatch is objectively not wanted, and thus the decission to mantain vanilla as a deathmatch-derived mod is unadvisable.
You say MM8BDM is balanced around Deathmatch but provide no reasoning as to why besides it being "the way it's always been", which doesn't hold water. Classes, (T)LMS, and Duel are all far more popular than Deathmatch despite- as we have been told- the dev team has, this whole time, been putting their efforts towards making Deathmatch the more fun mode.
From this I conclude that either Deathmatch is an intrinsically unpopular mode or the dev team is far more capable at balancing around non-DM modes, even unconsciously
Considering there's been Deathmatch servers always available (shoutouts to BE) as well as organized events to try to rekindle its popularity, I don't think it's a matter of anti-DM culture. If there are other plausible reasons for this, please chime in.
If Messatsu speaks for the whole dev team, I can only conclude there is a divide between the wants of the devs and the wants of the players.
It's not practical to balance for every mode on every weapon
I can clearly notice deathmatch is not played at all, true. TLMS and what essentially is Terminator dominate the playfield, with their corresponding mods. I guess they must be really good if they've hold up for this long, are enjoyed by the masses, and outlived vanilla Deathmatch's popularity :^)Excellent observation. This is largely true.But neither facts mean that the general game must abide by them because of what I think is or isn't fun, or because of what the mayority of players want, come on now. Nobody is blatantly stupid enough to fall for that reasoning. Don't play dumb when you know why 8BDM is geared towards DM. It's in the name, it's what it offers itself as, it's how it was conceived as, and out of creative consistency, respect for the creators' original intent, and maybe a pinch of advocacy for entry-level players to start with a really easy game mode, 8BDM should still be geared towards DM. What's more funny is that, even despite what I just said, I wouldn't be against future expansions being geared towards other game modes.I'm not sure what you're getting at. Never did I say "I demand you focus on TLMS and Duel exclusively. This is CMM's game and he holds complete artistic freedom, but when you open up multiple feedback threads over the years to try and make the game objectively better, you're damn right I'm going to question your original intent and what should be done to change it. It's been years, and nobody enjoys the mode. Maybe it's time to use the term "Deathmatch" a little bit more loosely in the title of the game. Very few successful games have ever been comfortable with themselves. If you cling so tightly to the "Deathmatch" in the game's name, you will get nowhere, and ultimately the game will continue to fail. You aren't thinking critically. I wouldn't listen to OJ or Bikdark. What they say might be worth looking at, and topics like this are interesting, but presenting it as truth "because the mayority do X" is wrong (and it's not the first time they've both presented their opinions this way).See? Goddammit, always appealing to people, appealing to be on their side. It's so misleading and dishonest.How immature of you. Use your critical reading skills to analyze and break down my argument like a real adult, not attack me like a child because someone he doesn't like is getting some attention. Don't try to undermine our words because of petty disagreements in the past. Look at our words, not our faces. Your verbal attacks will get you nowhere because you are utterly failing to address any hard evidence or logic. Until you make an attempt at partaking in intelligent discussion, your words mean nothing, and your overall significance in this discussion is negligible.
Quote from: "MusashiAA"I can clearly notice deathmatch is not played at all, true. TLMS and what essentially is Terminator dominate the playfield, with their corresponding mods. I guess they must be really good if they've hold up for this long, are enjoyed by the masses, and outlived vanilla Deathmatch's popularity :^)Excellent observation. This is largely true.
I can clearly notice deathmatch is not played at all, true. TLMS and what essentially is Terminator dominate the playfield, with their corresponding mods. I guess they must be really good if they've hold up for this long, are enjoyed by the masses, and outlived vanilla Deathmatch's popularity :^)
Quote from: "MusashiAA"But neither facts mean that the general game must abide by them because of what I think is or isn't fun, or because of what the mayority of players want, come on now. Nobody is blatantly stupid enough to fall for that reasoning. Don't play dumb when you know why 8BDM is geared towards DM. It's in the name, it's what it offers itself as, it's how it was conceived as, and out of creative consistency, respect for the creators' original intent, and maybe a pinch of advocacy for entry-level players to start with a really easy game mode, 8BDM should still be geared towards DM. What's more funny is that, even despite what I just said, I wouldn't be against future expansions being geared towards other game modes.I'm not sure what you're getting at. Never did I say "I demand you focus on TLMS and Duel exclusively. This is CMM's game and he holds complete artistic freedom, but when you open up multiple feedback threads over the years to try and make the game objectively better, you're damn right I'm going to question your original intent and what should be done to change it. It's been years, and nobody enjoys the mode. Maybe it's time to use the term "Deathmatch" a little bit more loosely in the title of the game. Very few successful games have ever been comfortable with themselves. If you cling so tightly to the "Deathmatch" in the game's name, you will get nowhere, and ultimately the game will continue to fail. You aren't thinking critically.
But neither facts mean that the general game must abide by them because of what I think is or isn't fun, or because of what the mayority of players want, come on now. Nobody is blatantly stupid enough to fall for that reasoning. Don't play dumb when you know why 8BDM is geared towards DM. It's in the name, it's what it offers itself as, it's how it was conceived as, and out of creative consistency, respect for the creators' original intent, and maybe a pinch of advocacy for entry-level players to start with a really easy game mode, 8BDM should still be geared towards DM. What's more funny is that, even despite what I just said, I wouldn't be against future expansions being geared towards other game modes.
Quote from: "MusashiAA"See? Goddammit, always appealing to people, appealing to be on their side. It's so misleading and dishonest.How immature of you. Use your critical reading skills to analyze and break down my argument like a real adult, not attack me like a child because someone he doesn't like is getting some attention. Don't try to undermine our words because of petty disagreements in the past. Look at our words, not our faces. Your verbal attacks will get you nowhere because you are utterly failing to address any hard evidence or logic. Until you make an attempt at partaking in intelligent discussion, your words mean nothing, and your overall significance in this discussion is negligible.
See? Goddammit, always appealing to people, appealing to be on their side. It's so misleading and dishonest.
My observation about what's mostly played nowadays? Sure. That last bit? No, it's not, I deliberately said that specific sentence as a joke to show how I can use the same faulty reasoning in my own interests' favor by appealing to mayorities. That doesn't make it valid, or true.
