MM8BDM v5 - What maps do you feel need work? Pt. II

[Watzup7856]

I feel like Iceman's stage needs a change. I think having a teleporter only accessed room is a bad idea, because we all know how well that worked out with Crystalman. The top section seems to be the preferred section anyways since no one likes to fight at the bottom portion of the map.

Also the whole "there's no counter to junk shield" needs to be fixed.

[CopShowGuy]

I feel like Iceman's stage needs a change. I think having a teleporter only accessed room is a bad idea, because we all know how well that worked out with Crystalman. The top section seems to be the preferred section anyways since no one likes to fight at the bottom portion of the map.

Also the whole "there's no counter to junk shield" needs to be fixed.

Definitely agree on that.  Makes chasing down people a pain when there's only one way to get in.

[Galactan]

Most of the complaints I've had have already been covered here. However, there was one I didn't spy in my brief skimming:

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Why does this lava puddle exist? Can't we just slap some glass over it or something?

[Bikdark]

MM2HEA is ugly as a whole. From the awkward holes in terrain to silly looking "fences", the whole map needs aesthetic simplification.

[Gumballtoid]

I agree with the above sentiment. It's just too much to look at at once, and that was my biggest hangup when I first saw this map.

[mahmoudehab1000]

Hey maybe its time to activate these strange map that one of them is map01 map 02 you everything plaese bec i wanna explore them you know and give us known musics inside it bec this sucks give us real details about the music and from which game ok?

[ice]

Those maps are just DOOM maps, they're inert due to the fact that you normally have to pay for doom, in order for mm8bdm to be free the core content had to be gutted more or less.

As for maps, anything much said about Turboman's map? (ooor was it already updated)

[Russel]

Much of the Mega Man 7 maps were left unlisted from criticisms and ideas due to possible revision occurring during the course of v5's development cycle.
Evidence of this can be seen in the v5 discussion thread.

[Superjustinbros]

I feel like Iceman's stage needs a change. I think having a teleporter only accessed room is a bad idea, because we all know how well that worked out with Crystalman. The top section seems to be the preferred section anyways since no one likes to fight at the bottom portion of the map.

Also the whole "there's no counter to junk shield" needs to be fixed.

Definitely agree on that.  Makes chasing down people a pain when there's only one way to get in.

Seconded. I remember once suggesting long ago that despite their file size increase, 3D Floors could be better utilitised for MM1ICE.

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The idea I had was removing the pit/teleportation gimmick and slashing off about 3/4ths of the top of MM1ICE, exposing the bottom underground area that now shows the sky on one part (with a large body near where the open area) instead of being completely covered. The teleporters, while still present, wouldn't be the only means of returning to the top floor, as there'd be a staircase somewhere within, and on one of the few islands in the pond, one of those propeller enemies would float in place, acting as an upwards elevator that takes the player back to the upper area.
I know it probably won't be accepted. but that's just my two cents. Also the upper and lower areas would probably be a bit closer together compared to what's shown in this pic.

[PotatoStrike]

Nice idea!

[LlamaHombre]

Spitballing time
I'll try not to retread on previous maps I've talked about but I'll try to get into more specific detail here.
Not all of these may be the best idea in the world but I'm saying them to promote discussion and keep this thread moving at a steady pace

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MM1BOM - Replace Beat Call with Rush Coil

MM1ELE - Stone Man-ify this map. Cut down on the number of 64-high jumps. Side note, taller ceiling near Dust Crusher would be dandy and make fights in there less awkward.

MM1ICE - Modify the above section such that the middle platform is more like the middle elevation in the underground section. Remove said underground section, and replace the pits leading downward with teleporters that lead you higher up.

MM2HEA - Tone things down with both visual and geometrical complexity. This map's layout really isn't bad but some of the divets and indents in the floors and walls and stuff tend to fuck with specific weapons (Floor crawlers mainly). I also agree that the fences are kinda weird and overcomplicated when they could just be regular fences and serve the same point.

MM2DW1 - Seal off the back two rooms with the teleporters. They're pointless and any desired cover is given by the shape of their exterior, and the middle two buildings that are both easier to get in and out of, but also keep flow moving. REMOVE MAGNET MISSILE FROM THIS FUCKING MAP.

MM2DW2 - How would people feel about me connecting the water sections here? I feel it would improve flow and make the Bubble Lead pit less of a death trap, but I'm curious of what sounds best to you guys.

MM2DW3 - Provide for a way to jump up to Crash Bomb naturally. This map is straight perfect otherwise.

MM4PHA - Make the sandy platform thingers on the map's furthest exterior less painful to run around on. It's quicker, easier, and more rewarding to just skate along the pyramid's exterior.

MM4RIN - Space Railings. Backpedaling on this map fucking sucks.

MM4BRI - Remove all semblance of the brightness gimmick. I'm not ok with it being a strictly visual thing because I'm afraid of it messing with gameplay clarity. If you wanna make the enemies drop health or something in combination, then fine sure I guess. That hole in the middle of the stage also serves no purpose other than to be annoying. Making it a wide pillar instead might be cool.

MM4COS - "As a potential experiment, how do you think the map would change if the door by Astro Crush was sealed off and the outdoor section were adjusted to combine with the Ring Boomerang spawn?"

MM5GRA - I think this map is fine (especially with Beat Call involved), but in light of recent distaste for this map it may be beneficial to turn any remaining 64-jumps into 32-jumps.

MM5CRY - Could the Crystal Joes be animated more smoothly? Make them like lower their arms or something when they're not firing. Map's fine.

MM6CEN - This is mainly just an observational thing, but walking around required me to jump more than any other map in core. It's admittedly rather exhausting.

MM7 sucks except for Spring, Junk, Shade, new Freeze, and the first three Wily stages (especially the VU on MM7DW1 oh baby) but you knew that already

MM8SWO - I hate the Yamato Spear spawn but I really doubt other people share my sentiments so whatever - I'd like for the gap between the two sides to be closed ever so slightly though so that you can jump it if you don't want to risk the two more precise jumps for the health or the weapon.

MM8CLO - Do all these panels really have to be here? They completely stop the flow of non-DM gamemodes, and a good number of them just aren't enjoyable at all. (Like falling into pits? Well how about instant death? Wanna memorize some teleporter locations you can only use effectively in very rare, opportune instances?)

MMBAST - Remove the rising platform near Duo Fist. It's really irritating for traversers and pursuers alike, and it's impossible to die to the ceiling spikes unless you're under the effects of Time Slow (which isn't on the map) or have run turned off.

MMBCOL - The center room is something that seems nice on paper but is rather frustrating in actuality. It's way too easy to escape from, and unless you really like Blizzard Attack, there isn't a lot of reason to stay in there. Make the jump from Treble Sentry to the interior one-way, add some geometry, some additional health, maybe even Arrow Buster or another Spread Drill token in there. The ice block makers should have some visual tell as for when they're firing, such as the effect used in MM&B itself.

MMBBUR - Still open for opinions on this map! I'm pretty satisfied with how it is at the moment, but any suggestions for the gimmick or the layout will not fall on deaf ears here.

I guess that's it.

For the record I dislike MM3TOP and MM5STA, but I'm not entirely sure what to do with those maps so I never mentioned them here.

[BiscuitSlash]

A lot of these do seem fair enough.

I'm unsure about what's going to happen with MM1ICE though. I really don't like the idea of removing that underground section. It added more depth to the map without stopping the map from being fun, and it'll feel weird to have everyone always being on the top section.

I get that original MM5CRY had an issue, but at least MM1ICE has was easy to understand and keep track of what was happening.

[Rozark]

Crystalman had that issue because there were multiple floors to keep track of and keep guessing.
There's just two floors on Iceman with clear entrances/exits. If anything, the only -major- problem Iceman has is that it has no junk shield counter (iirc).

[Russel]

I'm personally in defense of MM1ICE having two floors, but I don't like how the lower section is currently laid out.
I feel like a nice duality could be created in an open upper section and a slightly tighter lower section.

Aside from that, I think migrating from the lower section to the upper section should be modified, I've never personally liked teleporting back up.
Should the teleporters be kept, do the destination teleporters really need to be that high up? It'd be nice if they were lowered.


I'm rather short on time, so I might add more later.

[MusashiAA]

Out of reach teleport exits are not that good of an idea to begin with. Having an physical way up and down instead sounds like an interesting proposition...but that's it.

IMO, falling down into the lower section should feel like a punishment instead of a way out of fights: maybe the moat should use both water and ice physics to difficult navigation, and just rid of out of reach teleport exits entirely?