MM8BDM v5 - What maps do you feel need work? Pt. II

[Hallan Parva]

I can't believe nobody brought up Quick Man yet

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I drew a picture for a potential Quick Man modification / slight revamp / whatever

orange lines are quick beams
grey lines are paths between beam hallways
I put the grey ones there because I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be able to walk through beam halls in the new design
maybe in the two interior corners but definitely not in that really long hallway on the north end


my thoughts were that current Quick sucks because of three things
- everything is symmetrical (making it impossible to track down foes)
- teleport drop-down holes are also symmetrical (making it impossible to track yourself)
- every room connector has lasers (aside from one-way ledges on the outer border)


so naturally, my thought was that fixing these three things would help fix the map
- one-way symmetry helps players find others and avoid getting lost
- no teleporters (that shit sucks hardcore)
- iconic central pillar area safely connects to three other areas


the back room would have to be built from scratch, and the side rooms would need modification
but otherwise you could salvage some of current Quick's layout and recycle it for new Quick
I'd do it myself but I'm preoccupied with a different map that sucks balls

oh yeah and keep Time Stopper on the map ( ?° ?? ?°)

[Knux]

I can't believe nobody brought up Quick Man yet

A metric ton of feedback.

tl;dr - That map needs a remake to use the Quickbeam gimmick better.

[fortegigasgospel]

I can't believe nobody brought up Quick Man yet

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I drew a picture for a potential Quick Man modification / slight revamp / whatever

orange lines are quick beams
grey lines are paths between beam hallways
I put the grey ones there because I'm not sure if it's a good idea to be able to walk through beam halls in the new design
maybe in the two interior corners but definitely not in that really long hallway on the north end


my thoughts were that current Quick sucks because of three things
- everything is symmetrical (making it impossible to track down foes)
- teleport drop-down holes are also symmetrical (making it impossible to track yourself)
- every room connector has lasers (aside from one-way ledges on the outer border)


so naturally, my thought was that fixing these three things would help fix the map
- one-way symmetry helps players find others and avoid getting lost
- no teleporters (that shit sucks hardcore)
- iconic central pillar area safely connects to three other areas


the back room would have to be built from scratch, and the side rooms would need modification
but otherwise you could salvage some of current Quick's layout and recycle it for new Quick
I'd do it myself but I'm preoccupied with a different map that sucks balls

oh yeah and keep Time Stopper on the map ( ?° ?? ?°)

I actually kinda like this design.

[Thunderono]

I was talking to Lego about the proposed Quick Man design but I guess I never posted it here whoops
Layout seems neat and all but the connections to the upper half seem very chokepoint-y-- the way I feel this would be remedied would be to put a drop down ledge from the upper portion to the middle room (with the pillar thing in the middle of it).  Ensure a vertical mobility weapon/item is available in the map so people can use said ledge to get up, and it would undoubtedly clear up congestion in the top right/left doorways while keeping the intended 3-way flow in the middle mostly intact.

[Thunderono]

[9/12/2015 2:41:40 PM] Thunderono: would I be stepping on any toes if I tried out making smash's proposed quick man layout
[9/12/2015 4:13:43 PM] SmashBro: not at all, go nuts

Sorry about the double post, but I wound up actually making Smash's layout into a map.  Granted, it was more of a practice exercise, but it seemed to receive positive feedback.  As per request, I'll be withholding the actual map's file until events develop further, but in the meantime, have some screenshots!

Large and slightly fuzzy screenshots beyond this point

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MM2QUIT- Quick Man ST

Streamlined the central room to place more emphasis on the entrances and exits than the corners.  That's an E tank.

Created the northern room from scratch

While the side rooms are the same, the bottom room has been edited to help distinguish it from the other similar rooms on the east and west sides

An overview of the entire map

Beam breakdown in spoiler

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[9/13/2015 9:16:48 PM] Thunderono: beam halls marked with 1 fire at the same time
delays for 7 seconds after those beams despawn
then the beam halls marked with 2 fire at the same time
another 7 seconds and the process repeats itself

In core, the quick beams randomly choose two spots to fire from, give one second of warning and then fire within one second of each other.  Then it delays three seconds after those two beams despawn before firing again.  In MM2QUIT, the quick beams have a set pattern in which they fire, the player is given two seconds of warning before the beams fire instead of one, and there's a seven second delay between firing the beams instead of three seconds.

And no, the map size has not drastically changed.

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Both screenshots taken at 19% zoom

[Korby]

Seems interesting enough and it certainly looks better than what we have.

[NemZ]

Random thought... are destructible floors a thing that can happen?  Because it would be awesome to have Ice be one large open frozen lake that you can get above or below the ice nearly anywhere by temporarily cracking through it.

[Russel]

Technically speaking yes, they are possible, but not in a way that would be viable for use in core.

Not to mention, the impact of destructible floors on the playable environment might not be the most positive thing in the world.

[CopShowGuy]

Nice Quick Man redo.  Being able to not get entirely stuck in a room is a good idea.

[Superjustinbros]

Looking good. I still wish it were possible to enhance the MM1/2 stages with downgraded 8-bit Wily Wars and colored MMI/MMII tiles, but that's not exactly going to make the layout any different, just make them look like they were made for MMC3 as opposed to MM1's UNROM and MM2's MMC1.

[Watzup7856]

So I decided to add some changes to current Crashman

I've added some 3D floors to make traversing easier and less jump heavy

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I've also added a new pathway to have more ways to get to the top

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I've also changed the placements of quite a few items

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DID YOU KNOW THERE WAS A FUCKING W TANK WHERE SAKUGARNE NOW IS?

I've also added Gyro pads to make getting to the top MUCH easier

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[NemZ]

I feel like crashman really needs a total overhaul because we really need to see that sky.  Maybe something like a 'treetop village' sort of thing built around weird pipe towers reaching up from the abyss, connected by a tangled net of highspeed rail platforms?  I kinda want to be able to have shootouts mid-ride with people on other platforms or stable balconies as we zip around between limited cover in confusing ways.  Maybe harmless Tellies that continually respawn up to 3 in a given area along the tracks that just wander around aimlessly like flying roombas to block shots and annoy people?  

[Beed28]

Speaking of the sky, give it two skies as well; the blue sky with clouds in the lower part, and then the stars in the upper part.

[Emmanuelf06]

So I decided to add some changes to current Crashman
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I've also added Gyro pads to make getting to the top MUCH easier

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It has nothing to do with a crashman map.

But people could make mm2cra like the mario64 map of IX pack ? (don't remember the name), it could have ladders and some "direct" stairs...
In this way, we should be to see the sky by the sides, not only the yellow parts. The actual crashman map is awful for the eyes... (just an idea)

EDIT: The quickman map made by Thunderono looks better, if you can use an other "road" without the beams (like with this bridge), with not so much beams everywhere, it could be more fun.

The only map with a cross design I like, is the map of needleman....this one have some way to go in the others areas who make it more fun.
MM2QUI can be stressing....

[Knux]

It has nothing to do with a crashman map.

Nope, and neither do the fans in Elec, but they help the map flow. That's the point you're missing here.

*insert overdone argument here about translating a 2D shooter to a 3D FPS environment*